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One of the biggest clutch issues I've encountered on 450R's, on both mine and customers, is a grooved basket. This is caused from the plates lashing against the basket. One sure sign of a grooved basket is the "creep" you'll experience when the quad is in gear with the clutch pulled in, and the quad will creep or lurch forward when you stab the throttle. After dealing with stock, Hinson, Moose, and Wiseco baskets, I would highly recommend the Wiseco. With the other brands, the friction plates tend to fit looser, giving them more room to lash back and forth. With the Wiseco basket, the plates fit much tighter, actually scraping the sides of the openings as you install the plates. Another problem you may experience with ANY 450R clutch basket is worn cushions. These are the rubber insulators which go between the basket and the drive gear. These tend to shrink or break down over time and lets the basket move back and forth more than it should, and will also act like a grooved basket. Unfortunately, these are not available from either Honda or any of the aftermarket companies yet. If yours are worn, the only way to get them is to buy a new stock basket, grind the drive gear rivits off and use the gear and cushions with your aftermarket basket.

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i guess i need to do this to my 450r also lol sounds like a good idea
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[QUOTE=rich250rracer;179170]One of the biggest clutch issues I've encountered on 450R's, on both mine and customers, is a grooved basket. This is caused from the plates lashing against the basket. One sure sign of a grooved basket is the "creep" you'll experience when the quad is in gear with the clutch pulled in, and the quad will creep or lurch forward when you stab the throttle. After dealing with stock, Hinson, Moose, and Wiseco baskets, I would highly recommend the Wiseco. With the other brands, the friction plates tend to fit looser, giving them more room to lash back and forth. With the Wiseco basket, the plates fit much tighter, actually scraping the sides of the openings as you install the plates. Another problem you may experience with ANY 450R clutch basket is worn cushions. These are the rubber insulators which go between the basket and the drive gear. These tend to shrink or break down over time and lets the basket move back and forth more than it should, and will also act like a grooved basket. Unfortunately, these are not available from either Honda or any of the aftermarket companies yet. If yours are worn, the only way to get them is to buy a new stock basket, grind the drive gear rivits off and use the gear and cushions with your aftermarket basket.[/QUOT

I plan on doing the clutch mod removing the judder springs and so on. But if i get the Wiseco will this affect it because it keeps the plates tighter? I like being sure of what i do before i do it and wanna know more about the basket in comparison to the mod. Both seem ideal but if the mod makes it tigher and so does the basket.. Can it bee too tight?
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One of the biggest clutch issues I've encountered on 450R's, on both mine and customers, is a grooved basket. This is caused from the plates lashing against the basket. One sure sign of a grooved basket is the "creep" you'll experience when the quad is in gear with the clutch pulled in, and the quad will creep or lurch forward when you stab the throttle. After dealing with stock, Hinson, Moose, and Wiseco baskets, I would highly recommend the Wiseco. With the other brands, the friction plates tend to fit looser, giving them more room to lash back and forth. With the Wiseco basket, the plates fit much tighter, actually scraping the sides of the openings as you install the plates. Another problem you may experience with ANY 450R clutch basket is worn cushions. These are the rubber insulators which go between the basket and the drive gear. These tend to shrink or break down over time and lets the basket move back and forth more than it should, and will also act like a grooved basket. Unfortunately, these are not available from either Honda or any of the aftermarket companies yet. If yours are worn, the only way to get them is to buy a new stock basket, grind the drive gear rivits off and use the gear and cushions with your aftermarket basket.[/QUOT

I plan on doing the clutch mod removing the judder springs and so on. But if i get the Wiseco will this affect it because it keeps the plates tighter? I like being sure of what i do before i do it and wanna know more about the basket in comparison to the mod. Both seem ideal but if the mod makes it tigher and so does the basket.. Can it bee too tight?
Judder spring has nothing to do with how the plates fit the basket. The judder spring affects the engagement of the clutch, it doesn't tighten anything up. In my opinion, if you can notice the difference between the judder spring removed and the judder installed, I'd be really surprised. I've done this mod for a few customers and after riding theirs, and both my 04 and 07 (judders still in), I cannot see any difference. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference, but my quads get ridden and raced on a regular basis, and I think clutch action and clutch life are fine with the judder left in.

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